Even in a city with plenty of tall buildings, it is hard to not take note of LeFrak City. LeFrak City is large residential housing complex (5,000 units in 20 buildings) located in Queens, NY.
LeFrak City was built between 1960-1969 and provides some excellent lessons in building and architectural design from that period.
The complex is covers 40-acres and is situated along the Long Island Expressway. LeFrak's 20 buildings are clustered in sets of 4 offset in an X-pattern.
Inbetween each building and each cluster of buildings is public/recreation space. Each cluster is connected by a walking / running pathway.
The interior pathway feature of LeFrak City is very interesting. It creates several common spaces for residents and feels very seperated from the outside, public streetways (when you are inside along the path, you certainly feel as if you are "inside" LeFrak City). Each of the common space "clusters" were being used and felt active.
Some of the pathway areas felt less safe due to their design (dead-ends and limited monitoring).
The NY Times recently reported in 1996 (in a very interesting article about immigrants in LeFrak City) that 25,000 persons lived in LeFrak City. Online information on LeFrak City:
- Stabilizing Lefrak City;Jewish and Muslim Immigrants Help Revive Troubled Complex (NY Times)
- LeFrak City on About.com
- LeFrak City on Wikipedia
- Troubled LeFrak City Turning the Corner (NY Times)
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October 16th, 2007 at 12:32 am
I lived in Lefrak from 1969 to 1978 .I am now 51. It was the best times of my life. I met my life long friends there. Now, 28 years later a group of about 25-30 of us are still friends. We live in different states but those are our people.It sad that Our children will never experience the friendships we had with each one another. Let the good times roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
What an ugly, soulless place! Lefrak City is a perfect example of the sterile architecture that characterizes many apartment developments built from the 1950s to the 1970s. They're a blight on the urban landscape.
February 17th, 2008 at 6:04 am
I lived in Lefrak City from 1967 to the beginning of 1976. It didn't start getting bad until towards the end of 1972. I went to p.s. 206 annex (northwest side of the Shalamar building (accessible from the 1st floor terrace locations) for K,1,2 grades (they had a 3rd but I wanted the main building across the expressway. They had a doorman in the early days. I miss the basements. I remember going from one building (one of the red ones) from horace harding expressway to 57th avenue through the basements. Each building had a lot of character. I probably was supposed to be an architect. The pool in section 5 and 3 were used every summer (packed). Eventually section 1 got scary, then 3/2, then 5/4. This was nothing compared to what I've read in the 80's and 90's and today. There was always horseplay from day one. We went up to the roofs when I was 7 years old. Jumping out of elevators between floors was very common. I see many changes happened. They filled in the open areas under the rotundas that we used to play handball and tag. I saw pictures and satellite images. I would have loved to see the movie theater when they triplexed it. I remember Forest Hills multi-theater on QB. I saw movies for years in the original Lefrak theater which had a balcony. In 1975 they put chalk stamps of the shark's mouth "jaws" mouth using the nose to direct them to the theater on the sidewalk all around the perimeter of Lefrak (lines were that long). They had a different overpass that I had to cross the LIE service road to get to the playground. They had no fence to protect cars from snowballs (back then not enough kids threw harder objects at cars). Two things happened over time. One, back in my day if you pissed an adult off they'd chase you down and knock you down. You couldn't take advantage of the hitting a minor thing back then. The other thing is that there has been too much desensitizing of violence in the media, etc. so now anything goes. No more shame, no more getting queezy, etc. Put that together with having that many residents in one block perimeter and it's impossible to avoid the underbellys. The other thing is that when the landlords get automatic funded rent checks, tax benefits, etc. they have a more hands off attitude and blame the residents for the neighborhood deteriorating. I've seen many areas in queens that held up because they were taken care of. Lefrak was still brand new looking in 1976 (lefrak was only 11 years old at the time). They had a kiddie playland where the queens ctr mall is until 1970. Other stores I remember: Hills (grocery), Waldbaum's, ShopRite, BigApple or RedApple, LH Martin's, Hebrew National, Pizza Pit, Loemans. They say forget the past but we should use it as a tool to see what we lost. Look at the airlines with the seats they give you now. Just one example of customer service going down the toilet. Also, back then everyone knew what an Ajustable Rate Mortgage was and what they could afford. They knew scams. Now because of the shame put on looking at the past they took advantage of an entire generation who were willing to pay triple a houses value overnight during the boom. Good luck dreaming about a house from here on out. They are priced out of everyone's reach thanks to those people who bought……. Recession my ass….. Let those greedy people who made triple their houses value in less than 10 years use some home equity to cure this selfish foolishness. Oops, I'm off the topic….. Just wish I could take a one-day tour (through basements, etc.) of Lefrak City without having to be heavily packin'…..
February 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Reminds me of some places in Las Vegas, Florida, California…
Great photos, amazing.
–Richard
February 18th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Thanks for all of the input and comments. It is great to read stories from former residents. I'd love to hear more of them.
I've visited several very large housing projects (built in the same era as LeFrak) and it is correct to say that many of them have similar characteristics. Some of these characteristics still remain desirable - others have gone out of style.
I don't understand the characterization as "blights on the urban landscape". Could you better explain what is meant by that phrase?
I guess I don't see it how can a place that is home to 15,000 residents (and they have balconies - I would love a balcony) be a blight? I guess I have a different opinion - I sort of fnd developments from this era to be really interesting parts of the city.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 am
There was a Chinese Restaurant called Trader Lee between the Argentine & Columbia buildings in the front down the stairs at the rotunda.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:17 am
Trader Lee got a lot of business. They had a nice big red and white sign that can be seen from the expressway and service roads. There was also parallel parking on the service roads.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Oh my goodness, Anonymous (2/17 post)…do I know you? I lived in Lefrak from 1964-1974. Reading that long post of yours was my childhood in a nutshell!! I also went to 206, then to IS 61, then John Bowne. I remember that Trader Lee's had the first Pong game. We used to get our chinese food from the take out place on 57th Avenue! That is so funny…I would love to take that basement tour, too! Spent every summer in Pool 3 and hung out at the "orange squares." I remember when I was really young, they used to fill the red rink with water and we went ice skating there. I wish I could remember the name of the candy/coffee shop that was in the basement level of Section 2. I also remember the kiddie playland before they built Queens Center. Speaking of the UA Lefrak…I remember the old matron who used to watch the kiddie section during matinees. She was so mean!!!
March 11th, 2008 at 6:54 am
(2/17 post)…lol hello friend. I think we used to get our chinese food from the place next to pizza pit on junction blvd. just north of 57 av. Both places delivered and they'd bring their bikes (with the cage tray in the front of the bike) to our apt. with the food. I always wanted to eat at the trader lee. It looked fancy and a lot of the late 60's architecture (especially stairs like in airport terminals) still look more futuristic than what came after. I remember roller hockey at the red rink at section IV and ice hockey their during the winter. I remember going to that candy store with a friend once or twice. I usually went to the one on 99th street. The candy bars were 12 cents, tv guide 15 cents (much smaller). As far as names of people…. I had Mrs. Levy for Kindergarten, Mrs. Gilbert for 1st grade who used to beat us, Mrs. Shownwetter for 2nd grade. then went to the main building across the expressway: Principal Mrs. Sibener (be-atch….) and Mr. Bragen Ass't Principal (mom's violin teacher). Mrs. Tepper for 3rd grade. Mrs. Calderella for 4th grade who made us stop in the middle of working to reherse "fiddler on the roof" songs and then back to work again. She did the same play every year and she called my parents home so much about me that if I didn't have her for a teacher, I might have produced a son instead of a daughter (lol red butt)…… Mrs. Adair for 5th grade and then moved to Bay Terrace Bayside for 3 years before leaving the state for good.
March 12th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Up until 1972 Lefrak City refused to accept Section 8 HUD Rent Vouchers as a method of paying rent. The FHA sued and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court (it is a landmark case that is taught in law schools). Lefrak City lost, and as of 1972, the property became overwhelmed with Tenants who could not afford to live there based on their own incomes and paid using HUD Rent Vouchers. As corrective punishment, the court determined that Lefrak City needed to immediately accept a large number of Section 8 Tenants to catch up for all the ones that were turned away up to 1971. This is a complicated way of saying that the federal government forced Lefrak City to become a housing project for people on welfare, even though it was designed to be an urban oasis for people who wanted to 'Live a Little Better.'
People recall the good days of 64-71 because at that time everyone in Lefrak City had a job and every family had some responsible members of the household. When the welfare recipients started flooding in, the working people started flooding out.
March 16th, 2008 at 1:16 am
lefrak city was at first a paradise…nice apartments, three pools, all the conveniences you could want…i also went from p.s. 206 to i.s. 61 to bowne…the most fun years i had i lefrak were from 1969 to 1974…if we couldn't eat it drink it screw it or blow it up with an M-80 it was no good…also had mrs. adair for 5th grade; mr. kaimsky ws the prinicipal; mrs. sibener at the time was assistant principal…looking back on those years they were fun but i feel a bit guilty about what we put our parents and teachers through…
March 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I remember a pool at section 3 and 5. Where was the third pool? I saw an article stating that when Lefrak opened they had 5 pools. I'm curious where they were because I don't remember where there was room. The 2 big pools were each between 4 sets of buildings and section one had the garage taking up half the space. Was it there before the garage? Let me know. I'm still into that stuff. Thanks.
March 17th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
There were four pools - there was pool 3 and pool 5, and there was one tucked between the Lefrak City Plaza Garage and the rotunda of section # 1 (pool 1) - it had a small deck, and it was boomerang shaped like pool 3 - the diving section was slightly larger than pool 3 but not as deep. The fourth pool was an indoor pool in the Jack LaLanne Health Club - that was under the rotunda of section 4 (that space is now a public library). Pool 3 is still used - but it's a crime what they did to pools 1 and 5. Pool 1 was demolished and a soccer field put in its place - you can still see the remains of the restaurant that was right below the pool deck. Pool 5 was turned into a gigantic flower pot - they bulldozed soil into the pool, planted on the soil and put up some barbecue pits on what was the pool deck. The holes where the skimmers were are still there (filled with soil) along with holes where the lifeguard towers and diving boards were…I infiltrated Lefrak City last Fall and snapped pictures of what's now a giant "t" shaped planter - I guess they paved paradise and put in a flower pot….
March 18th, 2008 at 2:02 am
My family and I lived in lefrak city 1969-1976. We had and still have so many friends from that time. Weve had 2 reunions, the last one at the Terrace on the Park Restaurant. Lots of people showed up. There is another being planned. Those days are gone now. lefrak took a turn for the worst when the section 8's moved in. More gangs, more HARD drugs.
Lots of marriages started and are still going strong form that time.
Those people who I knew will always have a special place in my heart…Jimmy
March 18th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
wow. thanks for the posts. i'm barely remembering those. I know I wanted to go to the jack lalane club but we never did. Obviously the pool at section 1 was elevated from what you described. Some memories are as clear as day but those two faded. Thanks for bringing them back. I saw satellite shots of lefrak and couldn't believe what they did to pool 5. I remember the 2 lifeguard's names Frank and Vito. Vito was like an olympic diver. I had a friend Michael Cohen who lived in the Ceylon building where I lived. I haven't been in touch since he turned 13. I was jealous 'cause he was already 5'9' and I could barely recognize him. That name is too common to find on the internet unless I remember his middle name which I don't. I remember his apt number. He moved before I did (to howard beach). Oh, I also see other pools like at bayside apts that were filled in like lefrak. What is swimming a past time like the movie theater up there now? lol…. I wish Donald Trump would turn it back to original specs and pass a no-tolerance policy on violence…. keep dreamin' huh….. I also read about some people falling down the elevator shafts. Maybe they installed double doors? The original was the old single door and if you got stuck in between, you could pull the switch and jump out without worrying about the elevator moving while jumping… I think…. remember getting stuck and Dad throwing me down to a nice neighbor who caught me.
March 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I have a distinct feeling that if Lefrak had not lost the section 8 case most of us that were there in the 1960s and 1970s would never have left…we'd still be there today, some starting families and living in the 2 and 3 bedroom units, (D, K and M) and 2 bedroom Units (B,E, J, C, L) while the singles would still be there but in the studios ( A and N) and one bedrooms (F, G, H, O). I also think the three pools would still be there - pool 1 would not be a soccer field and pool 5 would not be a giant planter…
March 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pm
They would add a wall converting the den in apt C and maybe L too making them 3 bedroom apartments. I also remember before they built the lefrak office skyscraper on junction blvd. I think there was also a fotomat there. We also went to Rego Forest Country Club near this Baskin Robins behind 57th ave and 99th street somewhere during the mid 70's for 2 summers using their pool club. I think they build apartment buildings over that.
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 am
I lived in section 3 1969- 1980. There was also a little grocery store in the basement level- Benny's. I used to deliver groceries. The Pizza Nosh had great pizza and next door at the Chinese take-out you could get rice and gravy for 25 cents. We usewd to play wiffle ball by the section 3 pool - we call ed the area Lefty's Stadium!
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Fairyland was where Queens Center is now and I don't remember the name of the candy store in section 2, but Nunzio worked the counter - he used to make a mean lime-rickey…also in section 2 lower level was the TV repair shop that was owned by Eddie….and we used to ride our sleds on sunset hill in the winter….I haven't thought about this stuff in many years..
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
anyone remember Joe Pariante's Birthday Party/ April 18, 1974
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 am
Coffee Shop in section 2 was called "The Mall Coffee Shop" - I remember it well because I started hanging around their at night when I was 12…saw things I probably shouldn't have but that was the story of kids growin' up on the streets of Lefrak City…my favorite songs on the juke box that summer were P3 ("Maggie May" - Rod Stewart) and "Smiling Faces"…
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 am
I don't remember Joe P, but I hung out in front of section 2 with a bunch of kids for awhile. Around that time, I would have been 16 y.o. I also had a good friend whose car was a big hangout in the parking lot between sections 2 and 1. My friend Harris ran through the newly installed glass they were putting up around the rotunda area in section 2.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
OMG, you people are freaking me out. I also went to 206, 61 and Bowne. Anyone willing to name names. My name is Gaye. Hmmmm…Harris. Steve, would that be Steve Klein?
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I Gaye B. it's SteveK !!
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I meant Hi not I!
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Lefrakers - check thi svideo out….SK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-JhGzcOFrs
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Hey there people - Steve K. and Gaye B. - I remember you both - I am in the infamous Scott Brown - lived in the peru from 1965 through 1974…there is a Lefrak City re-union being planned by Jeff Sherman - you can reach him via e-mail at jeffsherman1@gmail.com or jeffsherman5@aol.com u guys cab reach me at brownsny@mac.com i will have limited or no access to computer till tuesday because i'll be traveling on west coast - anyway i got to run i got to catch a flight to LA soon
regards,
scott
April 4th, 2008 at 7:23 am
Hi Scott, I just emailed Jeff. I remember him, we might have been in the same 5th grade class. Did he have an older sister? My email is bluz_ax@yahoo.com
This is a kick - Take Care - S.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
SCOTT BROWN!!!!! Wow, I definitely want to catch up! I've caught up with Steve K. last year. Hey, Steve! I will sent an email to Jeff, too. I remember he had a younger brother. Will get in touch with you guys, too.
Holy cow,
Gaye
April 4th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
If you want to get in touch, email me at gaye.dunstan@yahoo.com
G
April 8th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Hi Jimmy, Scott and Marla! I think Benny's in section 3 was the New York Cookout. I was in section 5 '67 to '80. One of us (or one of our kids) who is very computer savvy should run a website that we would all chip in on, with interactive walk-through digital recreations of the place like a video game! Hey, I'd buy it. I'll pick this up at the next reunion - contact Jeff Sherman. I found this Lefrak link by googling "joe periante" after discovering Kenny Schlinder on jeff's lefrakreunions blog. See you all soon! Tom Carmody
April 8th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Hi Tom,
You're right about The Cookout - good memory. Don't know if you remember me. I was a Section 3 kid, though I hung out in 5 and 99th St. too. Mike Buch was a pretty good friend of mine and I also hung out with Robert Schwartz. Take Care,
Steve
April 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Hi Tom, Steve, Gaye - I just got back from visiting my brother on the west coast - the original Bobby Brown. I think the website is a good idea - though I'm not technically savvy enough to create it. I do have some present day pictures. In November of 2007 I infiltrated Lefrak City and snapped a lot of pictures of the gigantic flower pot that was once pool 5. Another thing that was a bit sad is that they paved over the orange squares and made it into part of a running trail. Jeff may have a lot of pics from the 2004 re-union - those were some good pics. We had a great time there - if we couldn't eat it drink screw it or blow it up it was no f good - God how I miss it…
April 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Hey, Scott. I'd love to see those pics…and now I'm just feeling plain nostalgic. I think I'll give Sherrie Meyer a call this weekend. Maybe you can post the pics on Flickr?
April 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Does anyone remember the free cartoons and movies on some Friday afternoons in the Continental Room? What about the hot dog guy on the corner of HH and 99th St., was his name Joe? The name of the stationery/candy store on 99th Street was Hy-Jays.
The big carnival every spring at the church on 99th? I used to walk my dog in back of section 5 and he loved to slide down the slide, even that blue circular one. The littler kids used to be freaked out by that!
April 12th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I remember the hot dog guy - I was a regular…. probably kept him in business. I think the carnival was behind 57th Ave - close to 99th, across from section 4? Hi Jays, Continental room- I forgot about all that…..anybody remember movie night at the pool by section 5? I still remember watching the Magnifiscent 7.
April 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am
There was a carnival (behind 57 ave where there used to be a Walbaum's super market)every year. I don't remember movies at the pool but do remember the movie theater would let the people out of the movie theater on the lefrak side (instead of 99th street) near where there was what we called the boogie man's cave……
April 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hi everyone…I wish I had pics from those times but I don't - all the pics were on a site used for the 2004 re-union…Jeff may have them because he pretty much ran the show for that re-union also…I remember Hy-Jays, also remember the carnival at the church behind waldbaum's - most of us referred to it as "The Bazaar"…usually it was in early to mid June…don't remember the movies in the continental room but i do remember the movie nights at pool 5 because I usually came in by jumping the fence not through the front gate…anyone remember the tunnels under section 1?…it was an absoulute maze down there…whenever I was running from security I would disappear there because I knew that most people (especially them) did not know it well and would get lost…it was like the roman catacombs down there…i can't ever forget the "sun deck" above pool # 1 - while they would close off the pool deck during the office season, they would not close off this "sun deck"…I had my first hard liquor and first 'ludes there shortly after turning 14…some of the the things we did were scary to think about….
April 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Hi everyone…I wish I had pics from those times but I don't - all the pics were on a site used for the 2004 re-union…Jeff may have them because he pretty much ran the show for that re-union also…I remember Hy-Jays, also remember the carnival at the church behind waldbaum's - most of us referred to it as "The Bazaar"…usually it was in early to mid June…don't remember the movies in the continental room but i do remember the movie nights at pool 5 because I usually came in by jumping the fence not through the front gate…anyone remember the tunnels under section 1?…it was an absolute maze down there…whenever I was running from security I would disappear there because I knew that most people (especially them) did not know it well and would get lost…it was like the roman catacombs down there…i can't ever forget the "sun deck" above pool # 1 - while they would close off the pool deck during the off season, they would not close off this "sun deck"…I had my first hard liquor and first 'ludes there shortly after turning 14…some of the the things we did were scary to think about….
April 12th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Another thing that I remember is that there was a sort of community center in one of the basement apartments in section 2. We used to play ping pong and pool in there. It was run by a clergyman (can't remember the denomination) who I believed was named Don Rhymes. There was an entrance from the common area in back of section 2. It might have been Don or his ministry that sponsored the free movies in the Continental Room, but I am a bit fuzzy on that. Does anyone remember when there was a hamburger/hot dog stand in back of section 5 by the pool? That was only open for a few years. It was to the left of the rotunda overhang where we played handball.
April 12th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I remember the hot dog/hamburger stand under the section 5 rotunda - i recall it was only open during the summer, along with the pool - they also put tables in that open space under the rotunda…the pool that is now a flower pot…
April 13th, 2008 at 11:20 am
The section 3 pool also had a concession.
April 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
The basement had a cigarette machine and also either a milk or orange juice machine that contained quarts. This was in the ceylon bldg which was yellow and orange in the basement. We're talking 35-40 years ago…… I went through every tunnel accessible and was fascinated how different each building was on the inside compared with the outsides. They could have made the queens center mall as tall as they wanted keeping or making an indoor replica of the "fairyland amusement park" on the ground floor. It didn't take up that much space and would still generate $$$.
April 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
One thing that always intrigued me was how the Long Island Expressway acted as a "Berlin Wall"…Park City, across the expressway, never encountered problems to the degree that Lefrak City did…in fact it stayed relatively decent…it is today a co-op…it has its debt problems, they all do, but the development (and its apartment values) have held up relatively well…I guess we can score one for the phenomenon of co-op conversion…
Scott
April 13th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
maybe because of the amount of total buildings/apartments, size of internal grounds, amount of area unexposed to the general public, plus park city estates has catwalks right? also the upkeep. when did they go co-op? probably the eighties right?
April 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Those tunnels were unbelievable - we played tag, ring-a-levio, handball….every section was different….I remember the cigarette machines (55 cents)and OJ/milk machine …TIVOLI (I lov it backwards (remember?)…
April 13th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I moved to Lefrak 1969 - first year 5th grade -class 5-2, PS 206 - there was a teacher's strike……….I remember Mr. Kaplan holding classes in his apt. in Park City (I think it was his apt….maybe a community room)…
April 14th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
ParkCity, oudorr hallways and all, went co-op in 1981 - what I remember was the financing - 9.5% for the first three years; 12.5% for the next 27 years…and that seemed cheap because fixed rate mortgages were 18.5% in early 1981…I think the reason Park City never went down was simple…the government never sued Carol Management (the owner at the time)…I guess Mr. Lefrak didn't channel his political contributions wisely…
Steve, I remember that teacher's strike…it was actually three separate strikes…one for two days, one for three weeks and the last one went for five weeks, not ending until November 19…Al Shanker was my hero…I also remember the Tivoli Milk…
April 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
in my previous comment "oudorr" should be "outdoor"
April 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
There is a discussion group for those of us who lived in Lefrak City during the 1960s and 1970s. You can find it by searching Yahoo groups for Lefrak City Memories or you can send an email to lefrakcitymemories-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
April 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I must know all of you guys. I lived in the Peru building from about 1968 until 1975. I had my Sweet 16 at Trader Lees and went to dinner there all the time. I spent every summer at Pool 3 and my brother was a lifeguard the summer of '74 (I believe). My apartment actually overlooked Pool 3. I remember the Chinese take-out place on 57th Avenue. I would go there after school (I.S. 61) and get rice with gravy on it (I still remember how it tasted). Does anyone remember the winter when it snowed so hard that the LIE was closed and you could walk across it from Lefrak and go to Alexanders? So many memories. The red circle (I crashed by bicycle in there). The tunnel that lead to 99th Street.
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Wendy, did you live on the 4th floor?
April 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
the section 3 pool looks like it may have been reshaped over the years. i sort of remember it more of an L shape rather than boomerang.
April 26th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
boomerang, L Shaped its just a matter of interpretation - you could be right. But beyond filling in the deep section to the point where it is now a five foot (instead of an 11.5 foot deep section) the appearance and shape is the same as it always was…
April 27th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Oh. I thought it might have been modified on the shape. It does currently look boomerang. I never looked at it from aerial views when I was young so that confirms it's always been that way. I guess they took the diving boards away huh.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
the diving boards were done away with after the summer of 2000 - presumably the renovation was done the following fall/winter